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Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:46 am
by lewisje
Silco, your proposal does sound more workable: Let the ad companies individually represent that their ads are non-intrusive and in what ways, under vigilance from a small but notable part of the ABP userbase.
gabranth wrote:it is about ads google doodle = ad with google's personal copyrighted name for it in this case it was advertising martha graham that when clicked on sent people to malware sites the report isn't about malware in google results that everywhere its about google's ad sending people to links containing malware
The malware came from the websites hosting the images linked to by the Google search results, not from loading any ads or anything else on any Google property (furthermore, the Google Doodle is not an ad); merely viewing the results page itself is harmless, only clicking one of the images to go on to the site actually causes harm, and this form of malware distribution (malicious SEO) is growing so severely that it's now more harmful to search for breaking news stories than to search for porn or warez.

Although generic ad-blocking lists are useless against this vector of malware transmission, lists specifically targeting various malicious domains (the ones from which the payloads are retrieved, much fewer in number than the exploited domains used in blackhat SEO) still make ABP a useful part of a security strategy; the best-known one is "Malware Domains" and there is another one from MalwarePatrol and there may be others of note.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:07 am
by Guest
Silico wrote:
NoMoreAdsNow wrote:How is advertsing anything but manipulative? The sole purpose is to make money. People are treated as consumers, not human beings. Advertising is a symptom of greed that is out of control. If they're not trying to empty your wallet they're trying to control your mind.

Anyone who finds such things acceptable obviously believes they have something to gain from the practices. In other words, they want your money/mind so they stand behind lame and illogical arguments about 'acceptable ads' and 'helping the net'.

Advertising is a plague and though it's a losing battle it behooves all of us to fight back.

No advertising is acceptable. Period.


In an ideal world we'd be directly paying websites, TV channels, newspapers, magazines, showrooms, and consultants to advise us what we should buy, and on what's being offered for sale. But people mostly don't want to pay the whole cost of running those, so we're stuck with some sort of advertising. "Build it and they will come" doesn't work, though the spread of information through online social networks has made it work better than it ever did.

So I think the aim should be to instead try to tilt advertising away from those forms that intrude and spin the most, towards forms that people can consume at a time of their choosing, as well as making it possible for ads to be annotated with independent assessments.


Maybe in your ideal world, not mine, I don't need nor want anyone advising me on what I should buy and charge me for the pleasure.

Why should I pay to know what is being offered for sale?

The seller makes a profit, why should I pay so the seller can profit?

The consumer ultimately pays for retailer costs anyway, their costs are included in the price.

Why shouldn't the seller pay the cost of offering their product in order to make a profit? sounds fair to me.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:48 am
by lewisje
Well something like that is already done by the wealthy, at least when they shop for clothes...

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:58 am
by Guest
lewisje wrote:Well something like that is already done by the wealthy, at least when they shop for clothes...


Really? and that relates to the target audience, the average user/consumer how?

The wealthy also walk the red carpet and your point is?

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:08 am
by KickMeImAUser
Why is it that all of a sudden AB+ and its inner circle feel the need to be the self appointed guardians of fairness and protectors of the business and advertisement industries for the whole Internet, who died and named AB+ judge, jury and enforcer?

This whole situation is bunk, the rational and motivation is clearly guided by greed for potential future profits at the top and backed by mostly useful idiots at the bottom.

When have you ever known government not to end up abusing something meant to be just temporary or voluntary? never.

Government always end up abusing it, they just ease you into it at first, get you used to the idea, then slowly take away options, rights and then it's not voluntary anymore, well guess what, government is made up of people, it's human nature.

It's called Adblock Plus not BlockSomeAds Plus, for Pete's sake, just how stupid do you think the people are, the whole premise is ridiculous.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:25 am
by Silico
Guest wrote:Maybe in your ideal world, not mine, I don't need nor want anyone advising me on what I should buy and charge me for the pleasure.

Why should I pay to know what is being offered for sale?

The seller makes a profit, why should I pay so the seller can profit?

The consumer ultimately pays for retailer costs anyway, their costs are included in the price.

Why shouldn't the seller pay the cost of offering their product in order to make a profit? sounds fair to me.


A salesperson has as much of an agenda as an advertiser, so it's dangerous to rely on salespeople to help you choose what to buy.

So unless you're always willing to do your own product scouting and testing, you'll need someone's help, and the best way of ensuring they're on your side is to pay them. No man is an island.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:59 am
by Guest
Silico wrote:
Guest wrote:Maybe in your ideal world, not mine, I don't need nor want anyone advising me on what I should buy and charge me for the pleasure.

Why should I pay to know what is being offered for sale?

The seller makes a profit, why should I pay so the seller can profit?

The consumer ultimately pays for retailer costs anyway, their costs are included in the price.

Why shouldn't the seller pay the cost of offering their product in order to make a profit? sounds fair to me.


A salesperson has as much of an agenda as an advertiser, so it's dangerous to rely on salespeople to help you choose what to buy.

So unless you're always willing to do your own product scouting and testing, you'll need someone's help, and the best way of ensuring they're on your side is to pay them. No man is an island.



I never said I rely on sales people, I for one don't and I do my own research, most sales people don't even know their own product and especially those on commission are usually cheap con-artists.

I guess, I must be an island then.

BTW just because they take your money doesn't mean they're only on your side or not on someone else's payroll as well, nor that they will really look out for your interests, many businesses take your money and don't really meet their fiduciary duties, for example BANKS just to name one, don't be naive.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:05 pm
by LorenzoC
Guys, I guess you have lost your sight over the fundamental point of this discussion:
1. People using ABP rely on subscriptions then they don't decide what they want to see and what not.
2. Now ABP provides a new subscriptions for "allowed advertisement" and people once again don't decide what to see and what not.
So, if we consider ABP when used only in "passive mode", nothing has changed.

The only questionable points are:
1. acceptable ads are enabled by default
2. acceptable ads subscription is not shown as subscription but as "opt-out" option in the subscriptions panel.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:30 pm
by Silico
Guest wrote:...I do my own research...


Without any help from media that's funded or subsidised by advertising?

It'd be hard work to always search things out only on-foot or by browsing vendor websites, and to either test things in-store or to make a guess and return things that are no good.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:42 pm
by JustMe
LorenzoC wrote:Guys, I guess you have lost your sight over the fundamental point of this discussion:
1. People using ABP rely on subscriptions then they don't decide what they want to see and what not.
2. Now ABP provides a new subscriptions for "allowed advertisement" and people once again don't decide what to see and what not.
So, if we consider ABP when used only in "passive mode", nothing has changed.

The only questionable points are:
1. acceptable ads are enabled by default
2. acceptable ads subscription is not shown as subscription but as "opt-out" option in the subscriptions panel.


I assure you, I haven't lost sight of the fundamental point of this discussion. I merely answered the point that was presented.

You're entitled to your opinion, however in my opinion, there are more points and more to said points than what you mention.

People using ABP don't have to only rely on subscriptions, but if they do, they could enable/disable each individual ad block line within each subscription, so you CAN decide in more ways than one. Not the same scenario passive or otherwise, please do your homework/research.

Those may be the only questionable points for you, not for me. both of your options equal acceptance and submission.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:59 pm
by Guest
Silico wrote:
Guest wrote:...I do my own research...


Without any help from media that's funded or subsidised by advertising?

It'd be hard work to always search things out only on-foot or by browsing vendor websites, and to either test things in-store or to make a guess and return things that are no good.


Did I say that? and why would I have to? that scenario would be applicable in your ideal world, not mine.

Would you fully trust information sources that are possibly ad driven by the very same products you're researching?

BTW there was/is life and information outside the Internet. I personally prefer hands on, especially on big ticket items.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:25 pm
by LorenzoC
Sorry but what you say doesn't make any sense.
ABP does EXACTLY the same things as before.
The only change is the said "acceptable ads" subscription and once you have disabled it, you get the old ABP back, with just a redesigned GUI.

People who have configured ABP before, can configure it now.
People who have just used it passively, in "install&forget" mode, will get the "acceptable advertisement".
And this is the only issue I can see. But once again, it comes from the fact that people don't care of configuring ABP.

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:59 pm
by Silico
Silico wrote:
Guest wrote:...I do my own research...


Without any help from media that's funded or subsidised by advertising?

It'd be hard work to always search things out only on-foot or by browsing vendor websites, and to either test things in-store or to make a guess and return things that are no good.


Guest wrote:Did I say that? and why would I have to? that scenario would be applicable in your ideal world, not mine.


What sort of help do you use then?

Guest wrote:Would you fully trust information sources that are possibly ad driven by the very same products you're researching?


No, but there are degrees of independence, and usually making considered use of all available sources of information, preferably relatively-trustworthy ones, is better than staying ignorant.

Guest wrote:BTW there was/is life and information outside the Internet. I personally prefer hands on, especially on big ticket items.


What sort of free, non-ad-funded, non-sales-funded help can you get outside the Internet? Sometimes the experience of friends and family isn't enough, particularly if neither you nor any of them are expert in the item you're considering. Can common-sense always get you to a choice that you'll be happy with?

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:05 pm
by pirlouy
Government, trust, lie, etc...
Some people are completely ridiculous. Yeah, use another tool instead of spamming this forum with false information and off-topic discussion (you don't even understand).

I was looking at addons.mozilla.org, man, there are so dumb comments ! :shock:
"If you want to see ads, install this extension." :lol:

I just took some time trying to stop crap (you know), but that's just impossible. I stop for now. I hope Wladimir won't be affected. These whiners don't even understand they have one of the best well-written extension...

Re: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:58 pm
by James
ITT: people believing their opinion is everyones opinion

the feature is optional, guys. People who don't want this can opt out. You will find most peoples views aren't as extreme as yours and they don't care if there's some non-annoying ads or not.