[Added] reddit.com

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[Added] reddit.com

Postby Till » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:37 pm

What is this about?
Starting with version 2.0, the Adblock Plus community has introduced the Acceptable Ads initiative which allows some advertising that is considered not annoying in the default settings of Adblock Plus. Users can disable this feature at any time. All entries on the Acceptable Ads whitelist have to be approved by the community of this forum. The goal is to support websites that rely on advertising but choose to do it in a non-intrusive way. Also, it gives these websites an advantage over their competition which encourages other websites to use non-intrusive advertising as well so in the long term, this helps to make the internet a better place for everyone.

Please share your thoughts of these ads are acceptable and verify that all criteria for Acceptable Ads are met!

Advertising type
Sponsored link (static image + text), static 300x250px banner at the right side of the page on http://reddit.com.

Proposed filters
Code: Select all
reddit.com#@##siteTable_organic
reddit.com#@##ad-frame
reddit.com#@#.sponsorshipbox
reddit.com#@#.promotedlink
reddit.com#@#a[href^="http://ad.doubleclick.net/"]
@@||redditmedia.com/ads/$subdocument,document
@@||redditgifts.com/marketplace/*^300x250^$subdocument,domain=reddit.com
@@||ad.doubleclick.net/click%*http://www.reddit.com$subdocument,domain=reddit.com


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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby slacka » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:30 pm

Reddit's ads are always unobtrusive. I'm fine with this.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby Ekelon » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:25 pm

Just wanted to point out that if we thought any ads were acceptable, we wouldn't be running an adblocker extension.

Why not leave "acceptable ads" off by default and then if someone likes seeing ads, they can opt in? It's obvious what's happened here and it's nice that you are still giving people the option to actually block ads (you know, like in the name of your product) but remember that Reddit is a marketing property and is a subsidiary of one of the largest marketing conglomerates in the world.

I just think that your excellent product should, by default, do what is advertised on the box.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby Ekelon » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:28 pm

Another point: If you are deciding which ads are acceptable by default and which are not, you are no longer impartial and you might be opening yourself up to trouble from other marketing companies (other than the gigantic Conde Nast marketing conglomerate or whoever owns reddit) who could then turn around and say that you have a conflict of interest. Knowing various spam companies and ad networks, you might be running into liability issues from people who would love to sue you into oblivion.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby jeff » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:36 pm

No ad is acceptable. Who are you to say reddits ads are fine? I use AdBLOCK to block ads. Don't give in to corporate nonesense.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby Ekelon » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:43 pm

"Who are you to say reddits ads are fine?"

My guess is he's a guy who's trying to make ends meet. That's unfortunate but again there's the conflict of interest issue I mentioned above. If the various click networks get wind of this their lawyers will be all over them like white on rice.

And then, you know, there are the users who are running something called Adblock for a reason. Personally I grudgingly use Reddit but I am wildly annoyed with the ads they run on there for reasons I won't go into here.

Are you going to run ads from the rest of the Conde Nast properties? If not, why Reddit? Reddit is just a mask with a smarmy little smile drawn on it, the thing that wears the mask is a marketing corporation.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby Not acceptable » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:14 pm

Adblock should block all ads by default. It may be profitable for you to allow some ads, but then you should change your name to adfilter or something.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby emc87 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:19 pm

I ran AdBlock plus until about 9 months ago.

If I was given the black and white option of seeing an advertisement and not seeing ad advertisement I would obviously choose the latter as would most rational people. However it is not this simple, as many content publishers and creators are solely funded by advertisements. I see my watching an advertisement as a trade-off for paying for a service, just as general and premium memberships are on most websites and applications.

I see watching an advertisement to keep from paying memberships as totally worth it to me for a YouTube video, or having a banner to might right as I surf Reddit is my contribution to keep the site up.

For those of you who say no ad is acceptable, if online advertisements went away you would be paying for the service out of your own pocket. I bet you would think that is unacceptable too.

*Note: I would pay for a YouTube premium account of that were a thing as I do find some advertisements obnoxious, but I see that there is more than just a no advertisement vs advertisement discusion.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby jay » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:20 pm

I also agree that adblock should block all ads by default. Any user that wants to whitelist reddit can do so themselves.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby DSPROX » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:25 pm

You know why I use adblock plus?

SO I DON'T HAVE TO SEE ANY FUCKING ADS.

Make "acceptable ads" default and you can guarantee I will NEVER be using Adblock Plus again, I'll fucking trash talk it all up and down the internet until it's dead completely.

Don't fuck up what makes Adblock Plus so great, which is NO FUCKING ADS.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby MonztA » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:35 pm

jay wrote:I also agree that adblock should block all ads by default. Any user that wants to whitelist reddit can do so themselves.

If this would be the case, there is no point in an "acceptable ads" feature at all: https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads#default
DSPROX wrote:Make "acceptable ads" default and you can guarantee I will NEVER be using Adblock Plus again, I'll fucking trash talk it all up and down the internet until it's dead completely.

Then you should stop using it at this very moment as it is enabled by default (for one year to be exact). :P
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby TheTao » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:27 pm

I get why you guys would want to do this. I recently learned of the "Acceptable Ads" and disabled it on my browser. What I don't get is why you don't make it "Default OFF", instead of Default On. One person mentioned:

If this would be the case, there is no point in an "acceptable ads" feature at all


I disagree. "Acceptable Ads" creates a way for the user to enable Ads across the board instead of single handedly going site-by-site white-listing certain Ads and sections. By allowing ABP to do that itself (if they choose), it becomes a simple matter of ticking a box and letting the program handle the rest of the work for all websites. So the point of the feature is still there.

It just doesn't sucker in those who don't know about the feature into seeing Ads if they didn't want to. Make it an "Opt-In" feature instead of "Opt-out". I get that it's about money (or I'm reasonably sure that's why it's Opt-Out instead of In), but you have to ask if you're really going to put potential money above the user satisfaction.

I have no problem with you guys adding Reddit to "Acceptable Ads", I just wish you'd make the whole "Acceptable Ads" off by default. The entire purpose of this program to is to block Ads. It's right in the name. At the very least, if this is going to stay "Default On", then change the name of the add-on to something like "AdFilter Plus", as that's what it's turned into at this point rather than a blocker.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby Angoth » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:38 pm

Policy defaults require user education.....which won't happen. For example, whitelisting sites requires user interaction and education. Most won't learn how and consequently most won't whitelist anything. Reversing that, "Acceptable Ads" with an option to disable requires the same (if reversed) action and education. First you must know of its existence and second, how to turn it off. Again, most won't know or learn and therefore, the defaults become explicit policy.

ADBLOCK. What does that mean to me? BLOCK ADS. Please do. All of them....everywhere. I don't want to waste my bandwidth, screen space or other resources on ads. It's why I installed it in the first place. If it were renamed MOSTLYADBLOCK, I'd look for a different product.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby Ekelon » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:50 pm

Easy to see the astroturfers here and on the reddit thread.

Guys, your original core demographic aren't as stupid as the LOLcats kids you've done your best to woo ever since you sold out. It will be pleasurable to watch your inevitable slide into total Diggification, but then I have the blessing of schadenfreude.
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Re: Adding reddit.com to Acceptable Ads

Postby Flanders » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:40 pm

Here there appears to be discussion on the feature itself. I'm find with the feature. But, I'm not fine with reddit being included in the defaults. I'm curious what the justification is for that. Why reddit and not gmail; or nothing at all?
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